Joe Madden faces tough battle for Hall of Fame despite success with Cubs and Rays

Tuesday, the angels relieved Joe Madden of his duties as manager. Although Madden has great experience, he no longer holds the record for wins since 2019, has not entered the playoffs since 2018 and has not been in the playoffs of the division since 2017. He is 68 years old.

This means that while it may not be shocking to be hired by another team, there is a possibility that Madden’s managerial resume will be complete. If so, will he be a member of the Hall of Fame? He will meet the conditions five years after he leaves office. Let’s look at Madden’s case.

The numbers

In parts of 19 seasons, Madden has won 1,382 games, the 31st place in MLB history but will soon be the 32nd (Padres manager Bob Melvin has 1,380 at the moment). While Madden is ahead of a decent number of Hall of Fame members here, sitting out of the top 30 doesn’t make him a big candidate. Dusty Baker (not yet in the Hall of Fame …) has won over 2000 games. Bruce Bocci, too. Lou Pinella won in 1835, Jim Leyland in 1769, Mike Shiosha in 1650, and none of these managers succeeded.

Madden has a better winning rate than Bochy, Piniella and Leyland, but he is behind Baker and Scioscia.

Of course, there are likely to be a number of the above names in the Hall of Fame at some point in the near future. Only Leyland and Pinella have been retired for more than five years. Also, if you have fewer wins – even fewer – you don’t have to disqualify Madden. We are just waging a difficult battle.

There is a Hall of Fame with a very similar statistic. White Herzog won 1,281 games with 0.532 percent of the winnings, while Madden won 1,382 with 0.532 percent of the winnings. The Duke entered the playoffs six times (when it was a little harder to do) than eight from Madden. The Duke won three pennants against Madden’s two. Each of them won a world series. Madden was 32-35 in the playoffs, while Herzog was 26-25.

Of course, Davey Johnson won 1,372 games with 0.562 percent of the winnings. He had 25-26 in six playoff appearances, winning one flag and one world series. He is not a member of the Hall of Fame. Not so Billy Martin (1253 wins, 0.553 percent wins, 15-19 in five playoff series, two flags and one world series).

The positives

Madden’s case would seek a boost in the special circumstances with Rays and Cubs.

The rays were still the Devil’s Rays when Madden took over before the 2006 season, and they were the shame of baseball. In their first eight seasons, 70 wins were their franchise the best. Madden endured two seasons of losses of over 96, but then everything changed. In 2008, the Rays won 97 games and the AL flag. It was the first of six consecutive winning seasons, a period that included five seasons with more than 90 wins and four playoff places. Remember, they were never in 21 games of .500 before he arrived.

The series included a return in 2011, when the Rays lost nine games in the wild card race in September and won a place in the playoffs on the last day of the season (the relegation of Evan Longoria Homer is one of the best moments of the decade).

Overall, however, Madden directs the transition from ridicule to a legitimate contender. Apparently he wasn’t the only one responsible, but he was certainly a big part of it, and it should matter here.

Madden’s stay with the Cubs also moved the needle.

The turnaround was already underway – so to be clear, it would be foolish to give Madden even close to the only credit – but he still took over the Cubs team, which won 73 games in 2014. They would jump to 97 wins in 2015, his first season corresponding to the highest amount for the franchise since 1945 (they also won 97 in 2008 under Piniella). They did NLCS for the first time since 2003.

Of course, then there were 2016. The Cubs won over 100 games for the first time since 1910, the first flag since 1945 and the first World Series title since 1908.

The Cubs would win NL Central again in 2017, only for the second time in a row in the division’s history in the franchise. They would do NLCS and this is the only time in the history of the franchise to go there for three consecutive years. They were a wild card in 2018 and this was the first time in the history of the franchise when the Cubs played four consecutive seasons after the season.

I said that Madden’s case lied under special circumstances and they are quite special.

Are they special enough for a manager who will take 32nd place in victories in a few days with one World Series title and two flags?

The sentence

For now, it seems that Madden is failing. The circumstances illustrated above certainly push him to the area where the discussion is worthy, but he is on the line behind Bocchi – along with Baker and Terry Francona (he was not mentioned above because it is easy and obvious yes), after retirement. Then Piniella, Leyland and Scioscia would be contemporaries in a similar game in the discussion, and I believe it is worth including Johnson in this mix.

It should also be noted that the managers of the Hall of Fame were appointed through commissions for the era and never go through a BBWAA vote, which means that there will be a panel of 12 voters. There is always the opportunity for some companies (note the case of Harold Baines, who was greatly assisted by former manager Tony La Roussa) to work on behalf of Madden, depending on the panelists. It also seems unlikely to push him completely to some of the names I mentioned above.

Just going to Madden’s Hall of Fame seems like a tough battle, but it’s certainly not impossible. We will call him a marginal candidate.

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